BibliographyCalvin, John. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/ice/john-17.html. “By the side of thyself.” Jesus prays for full restoration to the pre-incarnate glory and fellowship (cf. '” (Bruce) A. Jesus prays concerning Himself. 1 But the Greek preposition "para" translated "with" in the A.V. "Barnes' Notes on the Whole Bible". https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/scn/john-17.html. 1905. George Haydock's Catholic Bible Commentary, Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible - Unabridged, Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers, Commentary Critical and Explanatory - Unabridged, Kretzmann's Popular Commentary of the Bible, Lange's Commentary on the Holy Scriptures. 3 All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. In fellowship with Thyself. The footnotes about Greek … https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/cgt/john-17.html. Greeting! Read Henry Alford's(1810-1871) fascinating brief biography and Phil Johnson's related comments. That Christ as God, had an essential glory with God the Father before the world was: he had this glory not in the purpose and decree of God only, as the Socinians would have it; for he doth not say, "Glorify me with the glory which thou didst purpose and prepare for me before the world was:" but "which I had and enjoyed with thee before the world was:" by which words our Lord plainly asserts his own existence and being from eternity, and prays for a re-exaltation to that glory which he enjoyed with his Father before his incarnation. In the first, Jesus prays for Himself (John 17:1-5). As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast … "Frédéric Louis Godet - Commentary on Selected Books". From the fact that Jesus says: before the world was, and not "before I came into the world," Schelling concluded that the humiliation of the Logos began from the time of the creation, and not only with the incarnation. Not the Son’s personal exaltation, but the Father’s glory through the Son’s, is still the keynote; for, when the glory of the Son is seen the glory of the Father is seen also, and the less the obscurity resting on the former the less also that resting on the latter. As in John 17:11, all the texts put the relative in the singular, and read "in Thy name that Thou gayest Me, and I kept them". Broadman Press 1932,33. App-104. I was having a discussion bout John 17:5 and someone pointed out that εἶναι is articular because of the accusative article closest to that word. The grammatical anaylsis of thesecond most often quoted proof scripture demonstrating the preexistence of Jesus. 7 Now they know that everything I have is a gift from you, 8 for I have passed on to them the message you gave me. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/jtc/john-17.html. God looks to him that is humble and of a contrite spirit. Ver. As if Christ had said, "Father, glorify me, embrace and honour me as thy Son, who have been, in the eyes of the world, handled disgracefully as a servant." Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: a. Jesus spoke these words: The Bible is filled with great prayers. 1863-1878. Read John 17:5 Using Other Translations KJV And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/acc/john-17.html. Man looks on the outward appearance. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/jab/john-17.html. πρὸ τοῦ τ. κ. “Below is the breakdown of the Greek to produce a more accurate version of John 17:5 as the Greek transliterated text - Kaí nún dóxasón me sú Páter pará seautoó teé dóxee heé eíchon pró toú tón kósmon eínai pará soí. John 17:5. "Cambridge Greek Testament for Schools and Colleges". See on John 8:58. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/tfg/john-17.html. 9 I pray for them. So with Thee ( παρὰ σοί ). 2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.. 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. So that the incarnate Logos could claim on earth that as Logos he possessed an eternal glory in heaven, to which he might ascend and therewith be invested. The Analysis is Derived Using: 1. The Appropriate Translation for John 17:5, … He who says, I had...with thee, emphasizes His own personality previous to the incarnation, no less than that of God (John 17:24). Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. Consequently, that phrase in the former clause, with the Father, is contrasted with earthly and fading glory, as Paul describes the blessed immortality of Christ, by saying that, he died to sin once, but now he liveth to God, (Romans 6:10.). Note, 2. The Appropriate Translation for John 17:5, … https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/egt/john-17.html. BibliographyJamieson, Robert, D.D. BibliographyWesley, John. Some have affirmed that God has eternally been creating worlds after worlds. John 17:5 Greek Study Bible (Apostolic / Interlinear) καὶ νῦν δόξασον με σύ, πάτερ, παρὰ σεαυτῷ τῇ δοξῇ ᾗ εἶχον πρὸ τοῦ τὸν κόσμον εἶναι παρὰ σοί. Christ is represented as leaving a glory He originally enjoyed and returning to it when His work on earth was done and as the result of that work. "Commentary on John 17:5". The word “world†(Greek: Kosmos) appears 185 times in the New Testament: 78 times in John, 8 in Matthew, 3 in Mark, and 3 also in Luke. In that case the priority of the glory of the Logos would be rather priority in the order of nature than of time, as regards the absolute universe. John 17:4-5 are explained by Philippians 2:5-11. and "alongside" in the N.W.T. College Press, Joplin, MO. John 17:5 is a passage that clearly and exegetically affirms (a) the eternality, and hence, deity of the Son and (b) His personal distinction from God the Father, which affirms the Trinity and swiftly refutes the Christological assertions of these unitarian groups (esp. 8 For I gave them the words you gave me and they accepted them. chap, John 13:31-32), in contrast with the words ‘on earth’ of John 17:4. Someone else then defined the following article that has the genitive to present a new clause, i.e., the one starting with the accusative article. Go to. One is that the world refers to the beginning of the universe which God created in Genesis 1. But Paul, as clearly as John, believes in the actual pre-existence and deity of Jesus Christ (Philemon 2:5-11). BibliographyAlford, Henry. Some say Jesus is claiming preexistence; some say Jesus is not. "Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers". "The Fourfold Gospel". Expository Notes with Practical Observations on the New Testament. See John 1:1-2; John 6:62; John 3:13; John 16:28. But even Harnack admits that the words here and in John 17:24 are “undoubtedly the reflection of the certainty with which Jesus himself spoke” (What Is Christianity, Engl. And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self,.... Not with his perfections, these he had, they dwelt bodily in him; or with his nature, in which he was one with him; but as Mediator, with his glorious presence in heaven, by setting him at his right hand, and crowning him with glory and honour. And this is the purpose for which He asks it again. Revelation 13:8. The facts force us to interpret the Greek text of John 17:5 to mean that Jesus is asking to be glorified to that glory, that is, the glory he had with the Father in terms of the works the Father did through him. Glory which I had… before the world—That is, the glory which I, as eternal Logos, had with the eternal God. "Commentary on John 17:5". W. McGarvey and Philip Y. Pendleton. BibliographyTrapp, John. See note on John 1:1. 1874-1909. Mahomet speaks very honourably of Christ, except only in two things. There cannot be any temerity on His part in doing this, since this state of divine glory appertains to His nature, and He has voluntarily renounced it in order to serve God here on earth. It is a present infinitive. "Commentary on John 17:5". Finding the new version too difficult to understand? For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. With thine own self - In heaven, granting me a participation of the same honor which the Father has. New York, USA. 1865-1868. John 17:1-26—Read the Bible online or download free. 1871-8. lost. On the identity of the δόξα in John 17:22 with this δόξα, see note there. John 17:5 reads: "And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began." 1840-57. Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: a. Jesus spoke these words: The Bible is filled with great prayers. He here begs of his Father, that that glory might shine upon his person as Mediator. “Below is the breakdown of the Greek to produce a more accurate version of John 17:5 as the Greek transliterated text - Kaí nún dóxasón me sú Páter pará seautoó teé dóxee heé eíchon pró toú tón kósmon eínai pará soí. BibliographyGodet, Frédéric Louis. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/tsk/john-17.html. And now - `the whole purpose I am here for being accomplished,', O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self , [ para (Greek #3844) seautoo (Greek #4572)] - or 'beside Thine own Self (apud Teipsum, or Temetipsum, as the Vulgate, Calvin, and Beza render it). This shows the continuity of the historical Christ with the Logos (see John 8:58). 1909-1922. 5. 17:5 And 2532 now 3568, O Father 3962, glorify 1392 5657 thou 4771 me 3165 with 3844 thine own self 4572 with the glory 1391 which 3739 I had 2192 5707 with … https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/bnb/john-17.html. Any actions that take place within our contracted timeframe are a matter of mutual choice between consenting adults. BibliographyVincent, Marvin R. DD. On this verse Beyschlag remarks (i. “John Knox, on his death-bed in 1572, asked his wife to read to him John 17, ‘where’, he said, ‘I cast my first anchor. The glory prayed for is distinguished by two particulars: (1) It is ‘with Thine own Self’ (comp. Whatever is before the world is before time. John 1:1; εἰς τὸν κόλπον τοῦ πατρός, ch. The I who asks for the glory is the one who has had it. This conclusion is not well founded exegetically. εἶν., before the καταβολὴ κόσμου, John 17:24;—‘before all creation.’ “Antequam fieret mundus, gloriam illam habebat Filius; sed cum fieret mundus, gloria illa se cœpit (?) Someone else then defined the following article that has the genitive to present a new clause, i.e., the one starting with the accusative article. John 3:13 ; John 3:13 ; John 6:62 ; John 1:18, and the Word, and incarnate. 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